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October 27 Dear Baby Sistah,
This would be Ruth Ann King Kursman...you owe me big - time for EVER saying I cannot keep a secret. So, as penance, you shall telephone everyone we know and say " My Older Sister ( that would be me, Deborah King - Eichholz ) CAN keep a secret, " while balancing on one leg and twirling a baton.
Also, when you DO arrive, which is so NOT a secret, you will promise to NOT bitch about my driving and will admit to being the worst possible backseat driver since Mother.
To those reading this...pictured below is the culprit / Baby Sistah, who was, I must admit, the best administrator the city of Orlando ever had and who does make a kick-ass casserole. Wait...you must also make that casserole while in town, as well. Ha !
The King Sisters...the duo voted Most Likely To Have A House Dropped On Them.
October 20
NO on LOIT!
posted at 10/19/2009 1:30 PM EDT on thestarpress |
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This city has had revenue for years and whizzed alot of it away. How freakin' safe were we all those years with out of date equipment and rolling stock for MFD ? Within the last few years, trucks were breaking down en route to calls. Where did the money go all those years ? Why didn't the union challenge that sad state of affairs ?
Only when it seemed likely that lay-offs were in the future did anyone talk about the need for new rolling stock, new equipment and rehabbed stations. The City Council had to know there were issues to handle, as we've had MFD on the CC for some time.
We need better money management and less politics. We need innovative and progressive ideas to help Muncie survive and show that we can do what other cities and towns have done - to tighten the belts and show we can do something other than taxing our people into penury.
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Re: NO on LOIT!
posted at 10/19/2009 9:19 PM EDT on thestarpress |
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This city has had revenue for years and whizzed alot of it away. How freakin' safe were we all those years with out of date equipment and rolling stock for MFD ? Within the last few years, trucks were breaking down en route to calls. Where did the money go all those years ? Why didn't the union challenge that sad state of affairs ? Only when it seemed likely that lay-offs were in the future did anyone talk about the need for new rolling stock, new equipment and rehabbed stations. The City Council had to know there were issues to handle, as we've had MFD on the CC for some time. We need better money management and less politics. We need innovative and progressive ideas to help Muncie survive and show that we can do what other cities and towns have done - to tighten the belts and show we can do something other than taxing our people into penury. NO on LOIT !
Posted by agedoldbeaver
Yes, the money has floated around for years for equipment. It has been in the budget every year. Every year FD chief and REPUBLICAN Lucas gave the money back. Why??? To make his REPUBLICAN mayor look good. The union challenged it all the way. No response from any of the administration. As for stations, there is a very long paper trail to document how ran down the stations were. It fell on deaf hears. And as for someone who CLAIMS to be informed, we need money. Not better money, money period. As far as less politics?? That is very funny coming from the political puppet master for the mayor!!! |
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Re: NO on LOIT!
posted at 10/20/2009 12:19 AM EDT on thestarpress |
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Yes, the money has floated around for years for equipment. It has been in the budget every year. Every year FD chief and REPUBLICAN Lucas gave the money back. Why??? To make his REPUBLICAN mayor look good. The union challenged it all the way. No response from any of the administration. As for stations, there is a very long paper trail to document how ran down the stations were. It fell on deaf hears. And as for someone who CLAIMS to be informed, we need money. Not better money, money period. As far as less politics?? That is very funny coming from the political puppet master for the mayor!!!
Posted by Muncie
This is the first anybody has ever mentioned this. Why is it you are the only one who knows these facts? Bring verification. You always post some pretty good whoppers:
Forum Post: Well!! at 6/13/2008 12:29 AM EDT on thestarpress It's nice everyone wants to offer up politic assistance. Only, it seems all the help only slams the department the want to dislike. The LOIT is a WIN - WIN situation. I suggest you do research on it before turning your noses up at it. It will NOT raise your taxes!! It actally lowers property tax by the percentage of the LOIT.Yes, the word is Mayor McShurley will step down after her vacation (trip to "get business") and her long hours. Precinct 46 got screwed out of there vote now she wants to step down. OMG!!Maybe its because she wants to "help the community
How about PCR: Comment on: Mayor wants to privatize Muncie Fire Department at 6/4/2008 12:43 AM EDT on thestarpress Your mayor just asked city council the other night, for 9 million dollars. Why you might ask? To revamp the reservior. Yes, the one that is not in the city limits. Yes, the one that carries a 1.5million of our budget. But hey, Lets cut public safety in town. So now thats more important than keeping the money in townComment on: Muncie Mayor McShurley appoints assistant at 5/24/2008 10:49 AM EDT on thestarpress Isn't it grand to have a mayor that can't decide which way to screw up 1st?
We are supposedly in dire straights with money.
So, we fire the head of Praire Creek Res. (still paying him until the end of the year).
The guy we hire figues out quickly hes on a sinking ship, so this Andersonite bails.
So, we hire a young lady to head up Praire Creek Res.with more D.U.I.s than Otis the drunk on Andy Griffin.
Next, we go to the parks dept. The Andersonite she hired for this job left a huge DEBT as head of Andersons parks.
Now she wants waste more money on a deputy mayor!! $50,000 is a lot to a dying city.
She said twice in public she would not have a deputy mayor. (ANOTHER LIE) So we want to down size government and increase administration??? Shes chasing her tail!!!!
WRONG again. Bonham would have got a years pays no matter if he left in 08 or 09. It was owed him, The Andersonite she hired has made PCR profitable. She did not say she would NOT have a DM.
Here is more: God!! You are so blind and misinformed. You have no clue except what people tell you is bad.
Nothing is hurting tax payers.
Your taxes HAVE BEEN CAPPED!! No matter what happens with anything you are capped 1% for homeowners.
P.S. Your ill minded mayor was given a proposal from Center Township Trustee for fire protection. (It actually touched my desk briefly) (note: everything touches your desk, lol)
Again with your desk "And believe me ole' Sharondid ask for 9mill for PCR!! Papers were in my office!!
It's just raising it by a fraction of a percent. That fraction you'll pay comes off homeowners!!! OFF HOMEOWNERS TAXES!! Forum Post: Re: WHAT IS REALLY KILLING DELAWARE COUNTY at 6/18/2009 7:46 AM EDT on thestarpress
Correction not through me, but they go across my desk at city hall Forum Post: Re: WHAT IS REALLY KILLING DELAWARE COUNTY at 6/27/2009 12:26 AM EDT on thestarpress
Hiatt, You are fooling NO ONE!! You have no idea how close I am to all this. Iknow whats going on. The truth about why the MFD is brunting all the load will be revealed.
If you really knew what was going on you wouldn't post so man inaccurate things. And this is just a few of your comments, there is more. |
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Re: YES on LOIT
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CITY COUNCIL VOTE ON LOIT!!!! Not only that...vote yes on LOIT!!! This city needs revenue.
Posted by Muncie
Noticed you have spent a fair amount of time trashing everyone from the controller to hiatt on the main rainy day article.
Love your post about the employee meeting he sat in. You just get better and better with the whoppers.
Notice you are not calling LOIT a WIN-WIN. Maybe because when people get their first paycheck and first tax bill they will know you lied. Not hat anybody has any doubt, you fabricate some real good ones.
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Re: NO on LOIT!
posted at 10/20/2009 4:46 AM EDT on thestarpress |
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STRAIGHT TICKET TOMMY AND PARTISAN POLLY WITH A SPECIAL GUEST APPEARARANCE BY THE SOCK PUPPET CURRENTLY KNOWN AS “MUNCIE” IN “The Pack of Lies". BY J.R.R. TOKEN.
Hello, my name is Yezi Cheatam of Dewey, Cheatam and Howe. I have been retained by Mr. JRR Token to contact the sock puppet currently known as “Muncie” to negotiate an important business transaction. I have been instructed to advise you that Mr. Token is offering a premium of $10,000 dollars in totally worthless play money herein referred to as “funny money”, to purchase the ”pack of lies” that you claim to have in your possession. You have claimed that the mayor, the PBPTG (Pesky But Persistent Taxpayer Group), and their signs (dang those evil signs) are killing Delaware County. You also claim to have facts that passed right across your desk at city hall, which demonstrate that the mayor has personally killed the chances of two plants bringing jobs to Muncie. You asserted that the last one cost Muncie 3000 jobs building batteries for hybrid cars and that it was Fire protection that killed the deal, and noted that it is interesting, that the plant will go to the Mayor’s home town of Anderson. Mr. Token is anxious to acquire your ”pack of lies” as he is constantly in need of new material for his Straight Ticket Tommy and Partisan Polly series. JR believes that the ”pack of lies” which you claim to have in your possession is exactly the kind of CRAAP( Completely Ridiculous Assertions by Anonymous Posters) that sells. Be advised however that if you are unable to provide conclusive verifiable documented facts to substantiate your claims, Mr. Token reserves the right to Lampoon your lack of legitimacy in the public eye. Barring information to the contrary, Mr. Token considers you to be the worst kind of snake but is willing to review the facts to see if that sways his opinion. He considers you less of a whistle blower and more a self serving weasel who is more concerned about his / her future role in Delaware County Politics than in the best interest of Muncie and Delaware County. Mr. Token would like to advise you just how he feels about you, but come to think of it he just did. I look forward to hearing from you soon Mr. / Ms. “Muncie”. Have a nice day, and tell your friends at 214 that JR says Howdy. Disrespectfully yours,Yezi Cheatam, Atty.Dewey, Cheatam, and Howe.
DISCLAIMER: The views presented in this parody are solely my own. They are not representative of any for-profit, non-profit, political, non-political organizations or any organized or unorganized group in Delaware County or Indiana or any of the 50 States. All resemblances to characters real or fictional are purely coincidental. If you think one of these characters is you, please step away from the computer and have a good laugh at yourself. Consider it free therapy from Straight Ticket Tommy and Partisan Polly.
PROGRAM NOTE: This episode of Straight Ticket Tommy and Partisan Polly has been sponsored the friends and supporters of FACTS (Fight Against CRAAP Telling Squad). We have been “wiping out CRAAP since 1956.”
Please remember that all this CRAAP is killing Delaware County.
Jim Arnold
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Yes, the money has floated around for years for equipment. It has been in the budget every year. Every year FD chief and REPUBLICAN Lucas gave the money back. Why??? To make his REPUBLICAN mayor look good. The union challenged it all the way. No response from any of the administration. As for stations, there is a very long paper trail to document how ran down the stations were. It fell on deaf hears. And as for someone who CLAIMS to be informed, we need money. Not better money, money period. As far as less politics?? That is very funny coming from the political puppet master for the mayor!!!
Posted by Muncie
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Re: YES on LOIT
posted at 10/20/2009 7:11 AM EDT on thestarpress |
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Interesting data....want to guess where the largest proportion of the "Less than $30,000" or maybe the 2 income households that would make the "$30,001 to $50,000" or the "$50,001 to $100,000" live? Bear in mind this is pre-recession 2007 data as well.....
General AreaIndianaIndiana CountiesIndiana METROsEconomic Growth Regions |
| Specific GeographyAdamsAllenBartholomewBentonBlackfordBooneBrownCarrollCassClarkClayClintonCrawfordDaviessDearbornDecaturDe KalbDelawareDuboisElkhartFayetteFloydFountainFranklinFultonGibsonGrantGreeneHamiltonHancockHarrisonHendricksHenryHowardHuntingtonJacksonJasperJayJeffersonJenningsJohnsonKnoxKosciuskoLagrangeLakeLa PorteLawrenceMadisonMarionMarshallMartinMiamiMonroeMontgomeryMorganNewtonNobleOhioOrangeOwenParkePerryPikePorterPoseyPulaskiPutnamRandolphRipleyRushSt. JosephScottShelbySpencerStarkeSteubenSullivanSwitzerlandTippecanoeTiptonUnionVanderburghVermillionVigoWabashWarrenWarrickWashingtonWayneWellsWhiteWhitley | |
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Value of Returns
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50,213 |
$2,122,536,832 |
| Less than $30,000 |
30,749 |
$444,641,301 |
| $30,001 to $50,000 |
7,941 |
$367,358,560 |
| $50,001 to $100,000 |
8,662 |
$670,646,976 |
| $100,001 to $250,000 |
2,409 |
$352,034,048 |
| $250,001 to $500,000 |
299 |
$104,649,120 |
| $500,001 to $1,000,000 |
108 |
$72,273,592 |
| Over $1Mil |
45 |
$110,933,240 |
Now, here's your "didtribution formula"...
IC 6-3.5-6-1.1
Determination of allocation amount
Sec. 1.1. (a) For purposes of allocating the certified distribution made to a county under this chapter among the civil taxing units in the county, the allocation amount for a civil taxing unit is the amount determined using the following formula:
STEP ONE: Determine the total property taxes that are first due and payable to the civil taxing unit during the calendar year of the distribution plus, for a county, an amount equal to the welfare allocation amount.
STEP TWO: Determine the sum of the following:
(A) Amounts appropriated from property taxes to pay the principal of or interest on any debenture or other debt obligation issued after June 30, 2005, other than an obligation described in subsection (b).
(B) Amounts appropriated from property taxes to make payments on any lease entered into after June 30, 2005, other than a lease described in subsection (c).
(C) The proceeds of any property that are:
(i) received as the result of the issuance of a debt obligation described in clause (A) or a lease described in clause (B); and
(ii) appropriated from property taxes for any purpose other than to refund or otherwise refinance a debt obligation or lease described in subsection (b) or (c).
STEP THREE: Subtract the STEP TWO amount from the STEP ONE amount.
STEP FOUR: Determine the sum of:
(A) the STEP THREE amount; plus
(B) the civil taxing unit or school corporation's certified distribution for the previous calendar year.
The welfare allocation amount is an amount equal to the sum of the property taxes imposed by the county in 1999 for the county's welfare fund and welfare administration fund and, if the county received a certified distribution under IC 6-3.5-1.1 or this chapter in 2008, the property taxes imposed by the county in 2008 for the county's county medical assistance to wards fund, family and children's fund, children's psychiatric residential treatment services fund, county hospital care for the indigent fund, and children with special health care needs county fund.
(b) Except as provided in this subsection, an appropriation from property taxes to repay interest and principal of a debt obligation is not deducted from the allocation amount for a civil taxing unit if:
(1) the debt obligation was issued; and
(2) the proceeds appropriated from property taxes;
to refund or otherwise refinance a debt obligation or a lease issued before July 1, 2005. However, an appropriation from property taxes related to a debt obligation issued after June 30, 2005, is deducted if the debt extends payments on a debt or lease beyond the time in which the debt or lease would have been payable if the debt or lease had not been refinanced or increases the total amount that must be paid on a debt or lease in excess of the amount that would have been paid if the debt or lease had not been refinanced. The amount of the deduction is the annual amount for each year of the extension period or the annual amount of the increase over the amount that would have been paid.
(c) Except as provided in this subsection, an appropriation from property taxes to make payments on a lease is not deducted from the allocation amount for a civil taxing unit if:
(1) the lease was issued; and
(2) the proceeds were appropriated from property taxes;
to refinance a debt obligation or lease issued before July 1, 2005. However, an appropriation from property taxes related to a lease entered into after June 30, 2005, is deducted if the lease extends payments on a debt or lease beyond the time in which the debt or lease would have been payable if it had not been refinanced or increases the total amount that must be paid on a debt or lease in excess of the amount that would have been paid if the debt or lease had not been refinanced. The amount of the deduction is the annual amount for each year of the extension period or the annual amount of the increase over the amount that would have been paid. |
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Re: YES on LOIT
posted at 10/20/2009 7:45 AM EDT on thestarpress |
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CITY COUNCIL VOTE ON LOIT!!!! Not only that...vote yes on LOIT!!! This city needs revenue.
Posted by Muncie
Another quote from a laid-off MFD officer who does not have a badge to impress the waitresses at Richard's.
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Re: NO on LOIT!
posted at 10/20/2009 9:03 AM EDT on thestarpress |
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Yes, the money has floated around for years for equipment. It has been in the budget every year. Every year FD chief and REPUBLICAN Lucas gave the money back. Why??? To make his REPUBLICAN mayor look good. The union challenged it all the way. No response from any of the administration. As for stations, there is a very long paper trail to document how ran down the stations were. It fell on deaf hears. And as for someone who CLAIMS to be informed, we need money. Not better money, money period. As far as less politics?? That is very funny coming from the political puppet master for the mayor!!!
Posted by Muncie
BS. I asked Linda Gregory about those funds at a public venue and she answered the money which should have gone for improvements went for raises. I never claimed to be well informed - after all, I am not hiding in closets, claiming to have a few eff words on tape, but I know enough to know when someone is posting BS. As for a political puppet master for the mayor, oh please. I don't have the woman on speed dial and I don't have my nose rammed up the collective 214 Central Committees' backside like some folks in MUNCIE.
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Re: YES on LOIT
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Another quote from a laid-off MFD officer who does not have a badge to impress the waitresses at Richard's.
Posted by LivinGoodNMuncie
Or, family member. It's all smoke and mirrors, LG...all smoke and mirrors.
| October 19
CDCPTR to present reorganization plan/template to Mun-Del Modernization Committee
When: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Where: Maring-Hunt Library, Muncie
Be it remembered that the CDCPTR, by a petition with nearly 2200 signatures, initiated the Muncie-Delaware County modernization and reorganization in early 2008. Subsequently, over 18 months down the road, we appear to be no where nearer a comprehensive plan for reorganization than we were when the process began. Being the original catalyst that brought this effort forward, we obviously take this issue and its ultimate result personally.
The committee has most recently been focused on interlocal and cooperative agreements in an effort to demonstrate some progress, but realistically none of those options will sustain the test of time if serious consideration isn't given to the political structures that will make up the merged departments. Therefore, the CDCPTR is hoping to jump-start the structural reorganization process with its considerations.
We would hope that all citizens supportive of this effort would find time to support the presentation on Tuesday. Please try and be there!
Thanks!
October 05
A great deal has been posted on another LOIT thread, in the Muncie, Indiana Muncie StarPress, much of it off topic. I consider this to be a topical thread and extremely valuable. I will not speak of what offends me, because no one cares ( other than myself ) and it serves no purpose. Hell, I often offend myself, but it's all genetic.
LOIT was whispered silently in the background when the truth was not yet in the publics' consciousness...that we ( along with many other cities and towns ) were facing a financial shortfall and real change, not a campaign slogan, would become a necessity and it would " hurt. "
As swift as tortoises, the Muncie City Council sloughed this off. I cannot help but think this was a God-send to them. OK, so they would be " forced " to enact yet another tax on an under-employed and unemployed populace, that their actions might dun people who do not live in Muncie to pay for their lack of preparedness and that somehow, someway, the blame for the LOIT could be laid at someone elses' doorstep. A perfect " win-win. " They come off heroic, political favors are paid off and some will become debts to be paid and all's well in Hometown, USA.
Not so fast...one Finance Committee meeting in 18 months doesn't scream " I feel your pain. " Especially when a member of that Committee was not asked to attend, nor was notified. One ultra secret meeting between two CC members and the head of a local union doesn't scream " You can trust me. "
Not so fast...
All of us want our city to prosper again and to be safe.
You know, as in how we all thought we were safe for a couple decades while the CC allowed the MFD equipment, rolling stock and stations to deteriorate. If our firefighters weren't safe, how safe were we ? Even more puzzling, why didn't the union raise H about this ? Why didn't the CC, who has had an MFD -er on the dais say or do something ?
We have nine individuals on the CC, but you can bet your butt very few of them keep in touch with their constituency, much less act on their behalf. Linda Gregory is one and Brad Polk is the other.
When you expect us to tighten our belts and manage our homes, our medical bills and whatever else comes flying at us, you drag your sorry butts to CC and tell us " We will get more from you. " Well, you know what, we are done. Done listening to your BS and rhetoric. For decades, this town has been run like Dodge City and we have had enough.
This city can get by on less and be just as effective as it ever was, considering we has fire trucks breaking down en route to calls or neighborhoods better suited to Detroit or Compton or a plethora of patronage jobs in city and county government.
When we think about getting more bang for our buck, I think our definition of that phrase is much different than yours. Don't bother sending the fire trucks to handle the afterglow - because there is none. But, alot of us are sure as Hell burned up and burnt out on what passes for City and County government.
Posted on my time, my dime. Deborah
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